Which is more dangerous: Allowing people to vote OR allowing people to own a gun?
I am confused (normal) and I am asking for help.
Below I list some points. Accept them as fact for right now. I’ll get to my questions afterward
Posit 1 - In countries with properly elected leaders, voters decide who runs the government.
No proof or source offered for this.
Post 2 — Asking for ID to be able to vote is wrong. The right to vote is fundamental and a reason we fought the War of Independence. Example - “He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.”
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
Posit 3 - Demanding ID, background checks and restrictions on gun ownership is lawful and necessary. Example - “Background checks for firearms have been conducted through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) since November 1998.”
https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/background-checks-nics/
Posit 4 - Background checks make the nation safer and prevent mass shootings, children’s deaths and so forth. Example - “In states where elected officials have taken action to pass gun safety laws, fewer people die by gun violence.“
https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/
Posit 5 - Government is the leading killer of people through gun violence. Just in war, a rough estimate is 570 million since 500 BC. And that is low. “This list broadly defines war as an extended conflict between two or more armed political groups. Consequently, it excludes mass death events, such as human sacrifices, ethnic cleansing operations, and acts of state terrorism or political repression during peacetime or in contexts unrelated to war.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Posit 6 - It is hard to get a firm number, but most estimates say the US has more than 20 hunters. I find no evidence of mass shootings of humans in the billions of hunts in the US. “In 2021, the number of people who participated in hunting in the United States (aged six years and older) amounted to approximately 25.87 million. “
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191244/participants-in-hunting-in-the-us-since-2006/
Posit 7 - 43% of US homes have a firearm. More than 80 million people own at least 1 gun. “Based on NICS background data and manufacturing records, it is estimated that there are 500 million civilian-owned firearms in the U.S.”
https://ammo.com/articles/how-many-gun-owners-in-america
Posit 8 - In the past Presidential Election, 154,308,000 voted. Voter “turnout may reflect the health of popular democracy. Well-functioning democracies are more inclusive and will have higher turnout.“
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/
I explain my confusion.
We elect people to office.
Those elected are supposed to serve us, do what we demand and in general, handle business subject to our approval.
These elected officials start wars, sending us and our children to die and to kill other people and their children.
I Samuel 8:11-12 is a good example. “And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.”
R and D administrations have launched wars and continued wars.
Lemme make this clearer.
People vote -> Government is created to work for the people -> Government has a war -> People die from the war’s gun violence.
Who is at fault? Who is the real danger? Who is the killer we should be most concerned about? If government works for us, where does the buck stop?
This may be illogical or flawed. If it is, please point out where the chain of thought collapsed. This may be why I am confused.
If I am correct, please explain to me why we should not have an ID to vote when the US government, the people voters put in place, killed and continue to kill untold numbers of people in mass attacks and individual attacks.
Please explain why an ID and background check are needed to buy a gun when millions of gun owners, about half of the people who actually voted, have never shot anyone and hope they never have to shoot anyone.
Guns and voting are both are rights enshrined in the Constitution
Who really is the most dangerous here? What am I missing?
Based strictly on ALLLLLL the evidence I can gather, voting is way more dangerous than owning a gun.
You want IDs and background checks to buy a gun. I want the same exact rules, whatever they are, applied to voting.